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americans sent us to do. >> you mentioned the fiscal cliff and i want to ask you about it. president obama even in his p - proposal yesterday had entitlement cuts including to medicare. you have in the past been resistant to cutting entit entitlements. does the result of the election -- i've heard many people on the democratic side say, look, we won. we don't need to make concess n concessions to republicans on entitlements. we can raise the top rates without making these concessions. do you think the president is even in this first proposal giving away too much on the entitlement side? >> i think it's important to note that there's a difference between working to cut medicare and protecting the benefits. and itch said repeatedly that i will not vote to cut the benefits people have earned and depend on because they put those benefits into place, one, this in the middle of a depression, social security, and the other one, medicare, because they were needed. republicans and democrats recognized they needed these programs because people got old and people got sick and they still do. so i wi
. hey, guys, let's give the president the middle class tax cuts. i'm not going to cut the big deal with him. >> more leverage. >> more leverage. >> but an hour from now, obama is going to be in front of the business roundtable and trying to enlist them and other business lead eers to say, god, don't put us through this again. don't put the economy through again. he's already preparing for that. >> the people who really get stuff done in washington, the business lobby, the defense lobby. now here is the difference. the difference with this dynamic, the hostage takers last time have been taken hostage, right? the people who are prepared to bust through all of these moments and really go over the cliff are the democrats. they don't mind taxes. you've got a different dynamic just because who is willing to go through the deadline? >> errol, the president will meet with those ceos. how many will look and say, you know what, hey, buddy, you stink at running negotiations. will you get into a room and work this out? enough of this public posturing. it's absurd. >> they won't say it to his f
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